Intuition and Mirroring

February 13, 2002

The Seeker's Circle (www.seekerscircle.com)

Moderator: Sylvia Clare

Copyright (c) 2002.  All rights reserved.



<Sylvia Clare> ok so as I said a few minutes ago life is a constant series 

    of choices

<Sylvia Clare> both conscious and unconscious

<Sylvia Clare> so how do we know what choices we are making

<Sylvia Clare> especially the unconscious ones

<Sylvia Clare> and how do we know which ones to change if we do not 

    like their outcomes

<Sylvia Clare> well is anyone here familiar with the principle of mirroring

<Sylvia Clare> just say yes or no for me please

<deb> no

<Ann> no

<Tilly> No

<Steve M.> a bit

<Tink> unsure

<Sylvia Clare> ok mirroring is based on the principle that everything that 

    happens to us has originally come from us

<Sylvia Clare> i.e we create everything in our minds and actions and it 

    comes back to us

<Sylvia Clare> it is the basis of the law of karma and metaphysical 

    principles of thought creates reality

<Sylvia Clare> how comfortable are you with this idea?

<deb> very

<Tilly> Sounds reasonable

<Sylvia Clare> so everything in our life is basically informing us of what 

    lies deeper inside us

<Sylvia Clare> well if we like everything in our life all the time then we 

    have no hidden gremlins to get rid of right?

<Tink> how about when bad things happen to good people or vice 

    versa?

<Sylvia Clare> but that is not true for anyone I have ever met - and it 

    differs for all of us at different times in our lives too

<Sylvia Clare> well what is a bad thing - it is based on a judgement

<Sylvia Clare> a judgement presupposes you know what the masterplan 

    of the universe is in advance

<Sylvia Clare> and as Karyn has put a quote from Einstein on the site I 

    shall use another one here

<Sylvia Clare> he who thinks he has knowledge will be drowned by the 

    laughter of the gods

<Sylvia Clare> or something to that effect

<Ann> you say on your site that to think that "things are not as they 

    should be" is questioning God

<Ann> supposed to be "God's order" 

<Tink> I'm not arguing that nothing good can come of a bad experience 

    but I still believe that some experiences are just BAD... you know?

<Sylvia Clare> intuition is the nearest things we have to hearing or 

    recognizing the universal wisdom

<Sylvia Clare> no tink it is our interpretation of them that makes them bad 

    - our emotional reaction to them based on fear

<Sylvia Clare> well ann I am not sure and no one can be but there seems 

    to me to be some sort of mystical plan being worked through in our 

    universe

<Sylvia Clare> whether we attribute that to God and anyway what do you 

    mean by God is another question

<Sylvia Clare> so we want to be able to read the universal order and live 

    in harmony with them

<Sylvia Clare> this is what I mean by making the choices that create 

    happpiness in our life

<Sylvia Clare> \and learning about what makes us unhappy

<Sylvia Clare> to say that an experience is bad is slightly missing the 

    value of it

<Sylvia Clare> and if we can recognise the value of it,  it isn't bad

<Sylvia Clare> it is just very uncomfortable - but that is our feelings about 

    it,  not the experience itself

<Sylvia Clare> anyway mirroring is reading those meanings

<Sylvia Clare> and using the information to make better choices next 

    time

<Sylvia Clare> so it is sort of changing the future for yourself self by 

    reading the energy of what is happening now

<Sylvia Clare> a truly intuitive person will be able to do this constantly 

and 

    therefore be able to adapt and change according to what is coming 

    towards them

<Sylvia Clare> does everyone follow me thus far or are there any 

    questions

<Sylvia Clare> ok shall I  go on with this theme for now

<deb> yes

<Sylvia Clare> and just if you have a question drop it in because I believe 

    that the synchronicity will mean it is a question for many people

<Tink> I think I understand what you are saying... I don't know that I 

    agree or could see things that way. Such as when my niece killed my 

    nephew. where is the good in that? Nothing good has come from it in 

    the many years since that I can see

<Sonya> excellent Tink......sure fits for me.....lost my son was murdered

<Sylvia Clare> well that is a tough one but there are some spiritual 

    lessons that come a long time later on and maybe not good in 

    our terms can ever come from that but in a souls journey it will have 

    done so

<Tink> I'm so sorry sonya. {{{HUGS}}}

<Sonya> thanks, Tink

<Sylvia Clare> Sonya I am sorry that this happened for you - that is a 

    very tough one to live through and I cannot imagine how hard it is for 

    you

<Tilly> My heart goes out to you

<Sonya> trying to see the purpose, but the pain is too great.

<Sylvia Clare> but we do not know if the two souls involved in an incident 

    will have decided to act this one out together for their own benefit - 

for 

    their own soul learning

<Sylvia Clare> how long ago sonya

<Tink> it has simply tore our family apart... besides losing a beloved 

    member of it

<Ann> no - i don't agree with that - that it was prearranged to benefit their 

    souls.

<Sylvia Clare> death and especially murder is a very hard example of 

    god's love working for everyone

<Ann> please explain.

<Sylvia Clare> ok but neither of us can know or not know if this is the 

    truth can we Ann

<Sylvia Clare> one of the biggest teachings of spiritual laws is the 

    principle of non attachment 

<Ann> true -

<Sylvia Clare> Buddhism teaches is very specifically but most other 

    traditions also refer to it

<Sylvia Clare> so losing someone from murder especially someone so 

    close - is one massive challenge for you to learn from

<Sylvia Clare> from it you can learn the following

<Sylvia Clare> letting go

<Sylvia Clare> non judgment

<Sylvia Clare> forgiveness

<Sylvia Clare> trust

<Sylvia Clare> these are huge lessons and most of them –we learn them in 

    little bits

<Sylvia Clare> but these huge lesson can sometimes be learned in one 

    go

<Steve M.> Whether events that are bad or good is beside the point. 

    There are laws of the universe that are still intact. We can learn about 

    these rules or argue with them. Our choice.

<Sylvia Clare> and then of course then challenge is very hard to bear - so 

    we call it a bad experience

<Sylvia Clare> yes steve I agree but I am attempting to show how this 

experiences is mirroring the lessons back to those involved



<Sylvia Clare> every experience is showing us what we need to recognise about 

our self

<Sylvia Clare> and it is our inner tutor - our intuitive natures that allow 

us 

    to see those lessons

<Sylvia Clare> it is an approach to life that is challenging

<Sylvia Clare> and at times I struggle with it even though I teach and write 

    about it in depth

<Sylvia Clare> and have lived it to my best ability for many years

<Sylvia Clare> so I do understand how hard it is to accept some of these 

    ideas when they apply to very challenging experiences

<Tink> with events of that magnitude there are so many lives deeply 

    affected. do you believe this is a lesson for all of them? or is it 

    probably a different lesson but using the same event?

<Sylvia Clare> but loss comes in many forms and I have also lost people 

    in many ways - not through murder like these two examples but for 

    me at the times very painful

<Sylvia Clare> until I learned what was going on and found this approach 

    to life

<Sylvia Clare> since I have been teaching it I have helped many people 

    with it

<Tilly> What were these loses mirroring for you?

<jenturbo> yes you sure have:)

<Sylvia Clare> so intuition is a practise of looking to see what 

    information is coming back to you in every minute of your life

<Sylvia Clare> ty jenturbo lol

<Sylvia Clare> I have worked with jenturbo for a couple of years lol - all on 

the 

    internet and we have never met - yet!

<Sylvia Clare> and also tink

<jenturbo> lol..and i have read your books as well

<Tink> I admit to being a hard student. lol

<jenturbo> which i greatly recommend

<Sylvia Clare> so they are used to my approach to life and found it helpful 

    if challenging to accept at times lol eh tink

<Sylvia Clare> ty jen again

<Tink> yes Sylvie, I value your advice and counsel greatly

<jenturbo> yw:)

<Sylvia Clare> no tink you are not a hard student at all you ask very good 

    questions and challenge me to find answers

<Sylvia Clare> so back to making choices of how to respond

<Sylvia Clare> something happens in life

<Sylvia Clare> you don't feel comfortable about it but you're not quite sure 

    what to do about it

 <Sylvia Clare> so stop for a minute

<Sylvia Clare> and ask which spiritual lessons am I being shown here

<Sylvia Clare> meditate on it for a while

<Sylvia Clare> listen to the voices shouting at you inside your head

<Sylvia Clare> what are they saying to you

<Sylvia Clare> what are they telling you to feel think or do

<Sylvia Clare> sorry re typos again lol

<Sylvia Clare> but do not respond just yet

<Sylvia Clare> become familiar with them - find out what your 

    unconscious mind is using to get you t o react

<Sylvia Clare> and to keep repeating your old patterns of behaviour

<Sylvia Clare> are you thinking victim thoughts

<Sylvia Clare> or judgement thoughts

<Sylvia Clare> are you thinking revenge thoughts

<Sylvia Clare> or fear or jealousy or whatever

<Sylvia Clare> anyone a spiritual path will still be faced with these 

    feelings

<Sylvia Clare> and will also need to recognise them and grow beyond 

    them

<Sylvia Clare> so that they make better choices for them self in life

<Sylvia Clare> is everyone ok with the ideas as I am developing them

<Tilly> Yes

<jenturbo> yes..

<deb> yes

<joan> yes

<Sylvia Clare> those later arrivals sorry you can pick up on the topic and 

    do ask me anything for clarification if you need to

<Tink> aren't these the emotions that "supposedly" make us human? 

    unique if you will in the animal world?

<Harmony> hello yes

<Sylvia Clare> so really your inner tutor - your intuition is a quiet voice 

that 

    needs to be given time to be heard

<Sylvia Clare> mot of the time we do not heed it because it is drowned 

    out by the thoughts as above listed

<jenturbo> this i found to be so true

<Sylvia Clare> mirroring is a principle that overrides that cacophony of 

    ego thoughts and lets you see what is going on inside by what is 

    happening on the outside

<Sylvia Clare> if you feel uncomfortable about something that stop and 

    look for the spiritual principle being shown to you here

<Sylvia Clare> become familiar with them so that you know what to look 

    for

<Sylvia Clare> it becomes second nature after a while

<Sylvia Clare> and I ma always on the end of emails to help people who 

    are working with this principle if I can

<Sylvia Clare> so does anybody have something they would like to share 

    that I can use to show how well this works

<joan> !

<Sylvia Clare> the murder experiences were rather powerful ones and 

    this works well through the complete range of experiences - including 

    the nice ones

<Ann> how do you mean, spiritual lessons? is there something in 

    particular?

<joan> yes i can share

<Sylvia Clare> doe any one have something happening that they would 

    liek to explore using this principle here on line as part of the workshop

<Sylvia Clare> ok joan thanks

<Sylvia Clare> go ahead

<joan> My partner's rescued dogs bark too much for my need for sleep, 

    etc. and need to not want to deal with them

<Sylvia Clare> lol joan so you are getting more and more irritated by this 

    situation are you?

<joan> i am left with these dogs for over 12 hours a day.

<Sylvia Clare> and is it causing any problems between you both

<Sylvia Clare> do you have any say about having dogs

<Sylvia Clare> how many by the way

<joan> yes, like i get up at 3 am for his breakfast, fall back asleep by 6 or 

    so, then get woken by barking

<Sylvia Clare> do you want dogs

<Sylvia Clare> ok so you have sleep deprivation problems then too

<joan> they are not my dogs, i live here, and was against getting the last 

    barker.

<Sylvia Clare> I take it he goes to work after this 3 am breakfast

<Sylvia Clare> do you go to work at all

<joan> yes, he leaves at 345 am

<Sylvia Clare> or are you at home with the dogs

<Sylvia Clare> wow early start to the day lol

<joan> no i am disabled with copd, 30 years of it

<Sylvia Clare> ok sorry I don't know copd

<joan> pulmonary disease

<Tink> what are they barking at/about?

<Sylvia Clare> ok so not easy for you at all you get more tired than usual 

    too I expect?

<Sylvia Clare> Ok mirroring options here

<joan> any person or car that they take issue with...usually certain 

    neighbors...this am the school kids playing before the school bus 

    arrived

<Sylvia Clare> establishing and setting boundaries for yourself in your 

    own life

<Sylvia Clare> confrontation

<Sylvia Clare> learning to let go of feelings of frustration and annoyance

<Sylvia Clare> learning not to allow frustration and other feelings to build 

    up inside you

<joan> done that, it seems useless...i have no voice here with the 

    problem...as I'm alone with dogs...it's my problem

<Sylvia Clare> can you learn to meditate so that the noise does not reach 

    you even - that is a wonderful advanced spiritual skill

<joan> yes i could just flow with the barking...not get frustrated, but try 

to 

    get dog inside, or put on a nit bark collar...a useless thing for the 

    'master barker'

<Tink> perhaps it would help to see the barking in a different light? I have 

    a large dog that wakes me occasionally but it's when she feels I'm at 

    risk or being threatened so I have to forgive her and accept that she's 

    just doing "her job" as she sees it

<Sylvia Clare> good choice tink

<Sylvia Clare> you see there is always a choice in how we respond to 

    anything and mirroring will tell you about your deeper agendas also

<Steve M.> Muzzle the dogs. Think practically. This is a practical matter 

    and there is no spirituality in ignoring the obvious.

<Sylvia Clare> lol joan thanks so much for your wonderful intuition lol

<joan> i have a pesky neighbor who complains about barking...so i live in 

    fear of calls from her

<Sylvia Clare> well steve is right in some ways - there are practical 

    things to deal with here but beyond that there is a spiritual truth 

waiting 

    to be found

<Sylvia Clare> that is the real gift in the situation

<Tink> do you think your partner would have these dogs if you weren't 

    there to care for them?

<Sylvia Clare> joan can I ask do you feel sorry for yourself with this 

    situation

<joan> tink yes I know dog is being protective of me...but I don't need 

    protecting from cars...the yard is fenced and locked with a 6 foot 

    fence...and hot wired..- no one can reach me anyway.

<Steve M.> Finding a balance is necessary. Deal with the problem 

    practically and just as many spiritual issues will emerge.

<Sylvia Clare> has bf done any dog training with these dogs

<Sylvia Clare> not in the same way though steve

<joan> tink, i can't presume for what partner would do if I weren't here, i 

    am so the dogs are too.

<Steve M.> Don't tell me you think some spiritual lessons are "better" than 

    others !

<joan> i don't feel sorry as much as angry at not being able to control the 

    dog when i need to.

<Sylvia Clare> if there are victimhood issues here to be dealt with the 

    will not go away if the practical problem is resolved because the yare 

    much deeper and more insidious beliefs that we need to transcend

<Sylvia Clare> anger is a form of fear of not being able to control

<joan> some days it takes me 30 min to get him into back yard, or 

    house...he outweighs me, and is very stubborn, willful...a male Tibetan 

    mastiff

<Steve M.> Taking one practical step is the beginning of taking many 

    practical steps. Neither of the lessons will go away.

<Sylvia Clare> no steve I don't think some are more important than others 

    but some of the really insidious ones are more cunning in hanging on 

    in our egos

<Sylvia Clare> or rather our egos are cunning in hanging on to them lol

<Sylvia Clare> joan you need to take the practical solutions for sure but 

    also for your own development spend time really exploring the deeper 

    feelings that this situation brings out in you

<Sylvia Clare> find the key lesson behind it all

<Tink> is there a way to separate the front and back yards so that when 

    you are there alone they can only get into the back and will be less 

    prone to barking?

<joan> amazing the dog is silent this morning as i get on 

    line...something i didn't anticipate. 

<Sylvia Clare> perhaps it knows that you will find a new way of dealing 

    with the barking and it will stop anyway

<joan> vet, self, and dog owner can't get a muzzle on dog. We tried 

    when he needed surgery, etc, we had to sedate the dog to put a 

    muzzle on him

<Sylvia Clare> metaphysics teaches that once we drop the beliefs being 

    shown to us through the experience - the experience also drops away

<Tink> he sounds like a real handful

<joan> yes, thanks Sylvia...a beautiful thought

<Sylvia Clare> since it no longer has a purpose in being there

<Sylvia Clare> has this helped in understanding yourself at a deeper level 

    as well as practical advice on dealing with dogs lol joan

<Sylvia Clare> in the main I find this to be true but sometimes there is a 

    time lag on it with other people

<joan> you mean the dog has no purpose in being here? he is here for 

    life, we just rescued him 6 mo. ago and he will live about another 8 

    years...

<Sylvia Clare> yes but this barking problem will go when you have 

    learned the lesson in it- that is the principle of metaphysics working

<Sylvia Clare> that which comes towards you originally comes from you

<joan> i realize i need to relax when he barks, not get upset, angry, 

    fearful, but somehow deal with him gently and lovingly, but firm...I've 

    been practicing that as well as meditation the past few days.

<Sylvia Clare> and your intuition is the key to understanding what it all 

    means lol

<Sylvia Clare> so you have your answer and you will probably find he 

    stops barking as you get better at relaxing

<Sylvia Clare> dogs are so intuitive anyway - so he will know

<joan> i guess i need to release the need to be in control, and to flow 

    with the barking and react to it as quickly as i can before a neighbor 

    gets really upset

<Sylvia Clare> karyn can I give out my website or email addy so that joan 

    can tell me how she gets on

<Karyn G.> Yes, please do

<Sylvia Clare> joan now you have it totally - fantastic

<Tink> does the dog have a toy that he comforts himself with? 

    Something he can chew when he gets excited rather than barking?

<Sylvia Clare> ok you can find me on www.claritybooks.co.uk and you 

    can email me through this site

<Sylvia Clare> or you can go straight to Sylvia.Clare@btinternet.com

<Sylvia Clare> joan will you tell me how you get on with this new 

    approach

<joan> when he is barking, it takes a gentle touch by me, and stroking 

    his throat and telling him it's ok, nothing to bark at, before he settles 

    down.

<Sylvia Clare> and has everyone else followed how this worked for joan

<joan> the previous owner an MD spent $2,000 on dog training - to no 

    avail, that is why we have him...it is up to me to train him 

    somehow...with love and acceptance.

<Sylvia Clare> you see once he has calmed down if you are not annoyed 

    by him you will go back to sleep quickly and not feel so tense so yes a 

    control lesson i think too

<joan> yes I will report back to you Sylvia...thanks

<Sylvia Clare> you're very welcome

<Sylvia Clare> does anybody have some thing else they would like to 

    share to work this principle through with me

<Ann> joan - that's funny! I was just going to ask you why it was the dog 

    needed rescuing. !

<Tink> sounds like he needs you... as my rotti needs to be near me. I let 

    her sleep in my bedroom and she is content unless someone's comes 

    to the door

<Sylvia Clare> although we are kind of out of time now lol

<Sylvia Clare> but I am ok to go on a little longer if it will help people

<Sylvia Clare> karyn is that ok with you

<Karyn G.> Fine with me! :)

<Sonya> Sylvia, is it ok to e-mail you ?

<Sylvia Clare> ok any more examples to work through here

<Sylvia Clare> yes please do

<Sonya> thanks

<joan> dogs just started up their barking, sounds like both 

    mastiffs...neighbor starting up truck...they just settle down when the 

    husky went out to tell them to shut up

<Sylvia Clare> especially if it is more personal

<joan> my husky is my angel and talks to the other dogs

<Sylvia Clare> how many dogs do you have joan

<Sylvia Clare> oh boy i'd love to have a husky

<Sylvia Clare> we have cats

<Sylvia Clare> I have a mountain lion as a power animal and one of my 

    cats is the embodiment of the energy in my life

<Tink> Mastiffs are known as real take charge types. I doubt you will 

    change their nature much since it's so ingrained in them. Rottis are 

    much the same :)

<Sylvia Clare> I was told the mountain lion energy walked with me to give 

    me strength to go alone against closed minds and hostile voices in 

    my teaching lol - it has helped me greatly at time

<Tink> It's almost like expecting them to be dainty or graceful lol

<joan> 2 tibetan mastiffs (super guard dogs), one husky (super loving 

    and friendly)

<Sylvia Clare> they sound great joan

<Tilly> Is a power animal the same as a totem?

<Sylvia Clare> does anybody have another questions they would like to 

    ask me here while we have a little more time

<Sylvia Clare> or will we just chat on about dogs etc now lol

<Sonya> I "saw" a lynx walking up my cellar stair

<Sylvia Clare> wow sonya cool vision

<Sylvia Clare> how did you feel about that one

<joan> wonderful mtn. lion power animal...i feel the same energy for 

    myself here...and we do have mtn lions where i live

<Rox> I just have to butt in here and say, Joan your dogs could eat my 

    little dog for a snack LOL

<Sonya> It was incredible.......it happened right after someone had told 

    me "things" about my son's murder

<jenturbo> what lesson do you think is being taught through personal 

    physical pain?

<Sonya> and I looked up the meaning in Animal Speak book

<Sylvia Clare> to give it no power jen

<joan> Sylvia..what lessons did you learn from your son's murder

<Sonya> I honestly can't see it except that I know he is in a beautiful 

    place now

<Sylvia Clare> that is a hard one to overcome but the buddhist masters 

    actually welcome pain as a chance of testing their faith

<Sylvia Clare> to let go sonya and to learn to live my life for now not for 

    what has passed

<jenturbo> a good thing that turned into a "bad"experience, causing 

    sudden change and great physical pain

<jenturbo> oh no Sylvia...that is so sad

<Sylvia Clare> sonya it is a hard lesson in letting go and non attachment 

    but your son 's death holds this gift for you

<Sonya> can't get by the pain, Sylvia

<Rox> How long has it been Sonya?

<jenturbo> sonya how long ago did he pass?

<Sylvia Clare> sonya this can't word is a dodgy one

<Sonya> July 13, 2001

<Sonya> 2000

<Sonya> sorry

<Sylvia Clare> if I confront you with something please don't be offended - I 

    mean only to help and clarify things for you

<jenturbo> oh dear...grieving process still in effect

<Sonya> ok, I am here, Sylvia

<Rox> It hasn't even been a year, it will get easier Sonya.

<Sylvia Clare> well then you still need to learn to grieve and then to 

forgive

<Sylvia Clare> you see when we grieve it is for our self - as you say he is 

    in a beautiful place now

<Tink> and need to recognize that not all things can be reasoned out.

<Rox> How do you learn to forgive?

<Tink> there are things that we simply won't understand... so can only 

    accept them as such

<Sonya> absolutely! I say "so forgive my tears and my sadness, too...I 

    was thinking of me and not of You. (from a poem I wrote)

<Sylvia Clare> so it is your feelings of loss that you need to let go and 

    know that nothing can be lost it is just out of sight for now

<Sylvia Clare> beautiful sonya

<Sonya> Sylvia, those who did this are running free, that is hard to cope 

    with....

<jenturbo> those are beautiful words sonya

<Sylvia Clare> so sonya you have to forgive your son for leaving you

<Sonya> thanks

<Sylvia Clare> god has a plan for them too

<Tink> Sonya, do you truly believe the soul of someone who has killed is 

    ever "free" again?

<Sylvia Clare> I use the term god as the universal oneness - the 

    intelligence that runs it all etc

<Sonya> I know.....I believe in The Law of the Circle

<Sylvia Clare> those souls will have their penance to pay

<Sylvia Clare> also I have past life memories of my own

<Sylvia Clare> and some of them were not such nice characters

<Sylvia Clare> some were real victims

<Sylvia Clare> and some very very wise and healing natures

<Sylvia Clare> so I know that the 'bad' experiences I went through in this 

    life were working those lessons through to another level

<Sylvia Clare> and I have reached understandings now in my life that 

    those bad experiences were the best way of teaching me

<Sylvia Clare> so although I still think ouch sometimes about them I try 

    to make sure that I do not slip into any victim stuff or poor me stuff 

    about them any more

    We've run out of time.  Good night!